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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Arron - Have you ever seen Quigley Down Under, the movie? Remember the last line, This ain&#039;t Dodge City and you ain&#039;t Bill Hickok?

Well, Clint below is from Australia. He and a few others were part of another marketers group of affiliates. The OTHER MARKETER and I got in a little tiff about who was the man when it came to Google. For weeks his little band kept poking at me that new GFC and Reader friends were not showing up in Google contacts as I said they would going back to August 2008.

So my Quigley reference to the Aussie below is meant in the same way now. BTW the OTHER marketer&#039;s info product platform failed and now me, Clint and Mark Highton Ridley are buddies again. But I got sick of being poked at... and poked back, hence the remark you read above.

To answer your question, this was over a year ago, last May. I have always contended that when Google social apps seem to break, it is because Google is updating the social networking apps or wiring new ones in. In this case it was the release of Google Wave to dev testers just weeks later.

Now Google once again works just as I described it does when I broke all this news over 2 years ago.

That is what most don&#039;t seem to get when it comes to Google. They think it is an app built on an address book. When in fact, when you add new friends on Google, they are ADDED to your address book. Google builds your address book for you, just like adding friends on Facebook adds friends to your friend list. So yes, Google, all of Google is one big social network. Like 60 different sites or so. And it is all based and stored in Google / Gmail contacts.

In fact just after this I wrote a blog post about why, for a time Google did not add new friends on GFC to Gmail contacts, now Google Contacts.

http://www.googlingsocial.com/?p=396

So to paraphrase, I was just being the outspoken, loud mouth, jackass that I am sometimes. But then, sooner or later everyone gets tired of being poked with a stick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Arron &#8211; Have you ever seen Quigley Down Under, the movie? Remember the last line, This ain&#8217;t Dodge City and you ain&#8217;t Bill Hickok?</p>
<p>Well, Clint below is from Australia. He and a few others were part of another marketers group of affiliates. The OTHER MARKETER and I got in a little tiff about who was the man when it came to Google. For weeks his little band kept poking at me that new GFC and Reader friends were not showing up in Google contacts as I said they would going back to August 2008.</p>
<p>So my Quigley reference to the Aussie below is meant in the same way now. BTW the OTHER marketer&#8217;s info product platform failed and now me, Clint and Mark Highton Ridley are buddies again. But I got sick of being poked at&#8230; and poked back, hence the remark you read above.</p>
<p>To answer your question, this was over a year ago, last May. I have always contended that when Google social apps seem to break, it is because Google is updating the social networking apps or wiring new ones in. In this case it was the release of Google Wave to dev testers just weeks later.</p>
<p>Now Google once again works just as I described it does when I broke all this news over 2 years ago.</p>
<p>That is what most don&#8217;t seem to get when it comes to Google. They think it is an app built on an address book. When in fact, when you add new friends on Google, they are ADDED to your address book. Google builds your address book for you, just like adding friends on Facebook adds friends to your friend list. So yes, Google, all of Google is one big social network. Like 60 different sites or so. And it is all based and stored in Google / Gmail contacts.</p>
<p>In fact just after this I wrote a blog post about why, for a time Google did not add new friends on GFC to Gmail contacts, now Google Contacts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.googlingsocial.com/?p=396" rel="nofollow">http://www.googlingsocial.com/?p=396</a></p>
<p>So to paraphrase, I was just being the outspoken, loud mouth, jackass that I am sometimes. But then, sooner or later everyone gets tired of being poked with a stick.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Marsell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Marsell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chris,

   Thank You For the post. Would you please elaborate on your last comment.

  I am not sure what you are trying to say. 
   &quot; This ain’t Digg and Google    ain’t Dodge City, just because you know how to use Facebook don’t mean you know anything about Google. &quot;

Are you referring to Google as a social platform? Or are you trying to tell Mark that the GFC does not work on a reciprocating friends platform because his friends aren&#039;t showing up in his GFC? Or something else? Would please elaborate.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris,</p>
<p>   Thank You For the post. Would you please elaborate on your last comment.</p>
<p>  I am not sure what you are trying to say.<br />
   &#8221; This ain’t Digg and Google    ain’t Dodge City, just because you know how to use Facebook don’t mean you know anything about Google. &#8221;</p>
<p>Are you referring to Google as a social platform? Or are you trying to tell Mark that the GFC does not work on a reciprocating friends platform because his friends aren&#8217;t showing up in his GFC? Or something else? Would please elaborate.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<dc:creator>The New Gmail Spam Filter – Avoid Spam Filters &#124; Google Friend Connect Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 02:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Clint, obviously the answer man you are looking for is someone who has the answer you want to hear. I have told everyone ten times over, your friends are obviously NOT using Gmail.

@Clint, @Mark, I just checked my own Gmail contacts, Clint you are in my friends list, so I HAVE to be in yours, Mark, no where to be seen.

Google is swapping tons of code around, until about 2 months ago, when G launched Latitide, no one was getting friends in Gmail for like a month straight. Now it works flawlessly.

It still depends on the other end, both must be using Gmail. So, go use Gmail.

Lastly, GFC ain&#039;t Digg, you can&#039;t just make a ton of friends and then shout them to death with &quot;Digg this&quot; spam and get Google rankings and it ain&#039;t never going to happen.

Lastly where are you adding friends, just adding every person in one of my widgets to get my subscribers? 

That don&#039;t work either, just look at the history on Googling Social, you can see who is just sitting there trying to plunder my friends list but it don&#039;t work because they do not understand GFC like I do.

This ain&#039;t Digg and Google ain&#039;t Dodge City, just because you know how to use Facebook don&#039;t mean you know anything about Google.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Clint, obviously the answer man you are looking for is someone who has the answer you want to hear. I have told everyone ten times over, your friends are obviously NOT using Gmail.</p>
<p>@Clint, @Mark, I just checked my own Gmail contacts, Clint you are in my friends list, so I HAVE to be in yours, Mark, no where to be seen.</p>
<p>Google is swapping tons of code around, until about 2 months ago, when G launched Latitide, no one was getting friends in Gmail for like a month straight. Now it works flawlessly.</p>
<p>It still depends on the other end, both must be using Gmail. So, go use Gmail.</p>
<p>Lastly, GFC ain&#8217;t Digg, you can&#8217;t just make a ton of friends and then shout them to death with &#8220;Digg this&#8221; spam and get Google rankings and it ain&#8217;t never going to happen.</p>
<p>Lastly where are you adding friends, just adding every person in one of my widgets to get my subscribers? </p>
<p>That don&#8217;t work either, just look at the history on Googling Social, you can see who is just sitting there trying to plunder my friends list but it don&#8217;t work because they do not understand GFC like I do.</p>
<p>This ain&#8217;t Digg and Google ain&#8217;t Dodge City, just because you know how to use Facebook don&#8217;t mean you know anything about Google.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 13:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I think you already answered your own question.

The social features are in Gmail, not in Outlook. Second does Outlook access Gmail contacts and update them to you Outlook contacts list.

If not, then if you go to your Gmail account, then you will probably see a fair number of email addresses you don&#039;t really recognize.

Third, why the heck would you use Outlook, when Gmail is faster to use. Offline access? Who cares, I never get an email that I do not need the internet to deal with.

I am until today, a heavy Outlook user, now I am moving totally to Gmail, online.

I am moving out of Windows, I just added an Ubuntu partition to my Windows machine and am learning how and how much I can use Ubuntu immediately and easily.

I am only tied to Windows thru Camtasia studio that I use to produce my YouTube videos.

Unless you have many different emails and you need them all in one place, I would not use Outlook.

What I do is use my chris at keywebdata email address strictly businesss communications.

I use Gmail strictly for all social contacts, it divides the two and my social media assistant can do a lot of work there for me, freeing me up to do things like this.

@Clint, you have 100 friends sharing in Google Reader? That is the end goal here, lots of friends sharing your blog posts and shared items. Why be unhappy or question this?

The reason you are not getting friend email addresses is they are not using Gmail themselves. I have said this many times, it is a two way conversation, and Google is never going to send Friend requests to Gmail like Facebook does, it is a waste of time to deal with that crap.

They don&#039;t want us friending every person we can in every GFC widget to get friends. We tried it, that don&#039;t work.

What you want is real friends, (G wants this too) and we want them in Gchat, then we have a real connection and we can get real time responses.

I can produce more action that makes me money from my Gchat contacts than I can from my 6,0000 social friends.

Because like me, my social friends are very powerful, I target highly influential users. In chat you know me, you don&#039;t get that from Outlook. Mostly, Outlook just brings me spam. LOL

Gmail is now so slick and fast there is no reason not to use it. I used to want to brand KeyWebData.com, now I brand Chris Lang and I am always number one for a search. Real people being real people, that is what Google wants, why not give it to them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I think you already answered your own question.</p>
<p>The social features are in Gmail, not in Outlook. Second does Outlook access Gmail contacts and update them to you Outlook contacts list.</p>
<p>If not, then if you go to your Gmail account, then you will probably see a fair number of email addresses you don&#8217;t really recognize.</p>
<p>Third, why the heck would you use Outlook, when Gmail is faster to use. Offline access? Who cares, I never get an email that I do not need the internet to deal with.</p>
<p>I am until today, a heavy Outlook user, now I am moving totally to Gmail, online.</p>
<p>I am moving out of Windows, I just added an Ubuntu partition to my Windows machine and am learning how and how much I can use Ubuntu immediately and easily.</p>
<p>I am only tied to Windows thru Camtasia studio that I use to produce my YouTube videos.</p>
<p>Unless you have many different emails and you need them all in one place, I would not use Outlook.</p>
<p>What I do is use my chris at keywebdata email address strictly businesss communications.</p>
<p>I use Gmail strictly for all social contacts, it divides the two and my social media assistant can do a lot of work there for me, freeing me up to do things like this.</p>
<p>@Clint, you have 100 friends sharing in Google Reader? That is the end goal here, lots of friends sharing your blog posts and shared items. Why be unhappy or question this?</p>
<p>The reason you are not getting friend email addresses is they are not using Gmail themselves. I have said this many times, it is a two way conversation, and Google is never going to send Friend requests to Gmail like Facebook does, it is a waste of time to deal with that crap.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t want us friending every person we can in every GFC widget to get friends. We tried it, that don&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>What you want is real friends, (G wants this too) and we want them in Gchat, then we have a real connection and we can get real time responses.</p>
<p>I can produce more action that makes me money from my Gchat contacts than I can from my 6,0000 social friends.</p>
<p>Because like me, my social friends are very powerful, I target highly influential users. In chat you know me, you don&#8217;t get that from Outlook. Mostly, Outlook just brings me spam. LOL</p>
<p>Gmail is now so slick and fast there is no reason not to use it. I used to want to brand KeyWebData.com, now I brand Chris Lang and I am always number one for a search. Real people being real people, that is what Google wants, why not give it to them?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Highton Ridley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Highton Ridley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 12:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;s love to be able to follow up with the implications of GFC friends in my contact list.

Trouble is, even though I&#039;ve sent and had accepted many gfc friend requests, NONE show up in my gmail contacts (yes I&#039;me signed in with the right account at the time).

Is it because I&#039;m using my gmail account as a pop3 server and collect my email using Outlook?

Cheers,
  Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;s love to be able to follow up with the implications of GFC friends in my contact list.</p>
<p>Trouble is, even though I&#8217;ve sent and had accepted many gfc friend requests, NONE show up in my gmail contacts (yes I&#8217;me signed in with the right account at the time).</p>
<p>Is it because I&#8217;m using my gmail account as a pop3 server and collect my email using Outlook?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
  Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Shouse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Shouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris I am so tech challenged but I read and keep all you write and maybe I will figure it out someday:)
You always have such good information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris I am so tech challenged but I read and keep all you write and maybe I will figure it out someday:)<br />
You always have such good information.</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Maher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clint Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the lengthy reply Chris. It beats the hell out of me, got all settings in Gmail and Google Reader set to &#039;on&#039; and share with over a hundred people in Google Reader and it still doesn&#039;t play ball. And you&#039;re right, Google has bugger all documentation about this.

I&#039;ll keep looking for the answer man and let you know when I track it down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the lengthy reply Chris. It beats the hell out of me, got all settings in Gmail and Google Reader set to &#8216;on&#8217; and share with over a hundred people in Google Reader and it still doesn&#8217;t play ball. And you&#8217;re right, Google has bugger all documentation about this.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll keep looking for the answer man and let you know when I track it down.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clint, we all go thru this, are they (your new friends) using Gmail? I get this report all the time.

If they are not using Gmail you may net get them added as contacts.

Also there was a period where Google was getting ready to roll out Latitude, no one got any contacts added. Not even me for like 30 days.

As soon as Google let loose with Latitude the contacts started being added again.

I have no problems with this feature. There may be some sharing settings you or the friends you are adding have a feature shut down.

Also I have all settings set to full on, I have NO sharing settings set to off.

You may want to check Google Reader and see if your sharing there is set to on, that may effect it as well.

Google offers no documentation on this and sometimes it takes a while to update. Sometimes it never does.

If you know the person already, just add them to Gchat or Latitude, that does it every time.

You have to realize, this is very leading edge stuff. Google just in the last few weeks started encouraging others to start creating Google profiles from Gmail.

Also, there is a setting in your Google profile as to whether or not to allow others to message you from your Google profile. You may want to set that to on as well.

If you have all this on and still do not get your contacts added, let me know, I will get to the bottom of this eventually.

Also please feel free to ask any questions you have right in comments on any of my 3 sites. I will be glad to answer them immediately or direct your question to a Google engineer and report a bug or get an answer.

- Chris Lang</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clint, we all go thru this, are they (your new friends) using Gmail? I get this report all the time.</p>
<p>If they are not using Gmail you may net get them added as contacts.</p>
<p>Also there was a period where Google was getting ready to roll out Latitude, no one got any contacts added. Not even me for like 30 days.</p>
<p>As soon as Google let loose with Latitude the contacts started being added again.</p>
<p>I have no problems with this feature. There may be some sharing settings you or the friends you are adding have a feature shut down.</p>
<p>Also I have all settings set to full on, I have NO sharing settings set to off.</p>
<p>You may want to check Google Reader and see if your sharing there is set to on, that may effect it as well.</p>
<p>Google offers no documentation on this and sometimes it takes a while to update. Sometimes it never does.</p>
<p>If you know the person already, just add them to Gchat or Latitude, that does it every time.</p>
<p>You have to realize, this is very leading edge stuff. Google just in the last few weeks started encouraging others to start creating Google profiles from Gmail.</p>
<p>Also, there is a setting in your Google profile as to whether or not to allow others to message you from your Google profile. You may want to set that to on as well.</p>
<p>If you have all this on and still do not get your contacts added, let me know, I will get to the bottom of this eventually.</p>
<p>Also please feel free to ask any questions you have right in comments on any of my 3 sites. I will be glad to answer them immediately or direct your question to a Google engineer and report a bug or get an answer.</p>
<p>- Chris Lang</p>
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		<title>By: Clint Maher</title>
		<link>http://www.emaildeliveryjedi.com/email-blog/avoid-spam-filters/the-new-gmail-spam-filter/comment-page-1/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>Clint Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 01:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there Chris,

I like what you&#039;re saying yet for the life of me, none of the friends I add through GFC (and they add me back)are added to my gmail account, ever. 

Anyone else have the same issue with their contacts list?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there Chris,</p>
<p>I like what you&#8217;re saying yet for the life of me, none of the friends I add through GFC (and they add me back)are added to my gmail account, ever. </p>
<p>Anyone else have the same issue with their contacts list?</p>
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